it was good to read details of the letter campaign from silentlambs protesting about the pedophile issue, and i'm sure it will bear some fruit.
in any type of marketing campaign you will usually get a reponse rate of around 1-2% so if this is true here then, yes, at least some will take heed.
in order to be more effective we need to do this more often.
There's always room for another newsletter. See the Free Christians issue for today at the link below. Posting whole KMs etc on the internet could make you subject to a copyright infringement lawsuit and enormous fine. More letter writing would be a good idea but send some to non-elders too and include an internet website address or two where the readers can go to for more information. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/message/271
Edited by - nancee park on 4 July 2002 18:3:49
mr. bowen .
i was glad to see you and your efforts hear in minnesota!.
being that anyone can come forward with an accusation, how .
And what of your previous post also mentioned above that attacked Dateline NBC? Was that also just for the fun of raising questions?
Since you say you know the WTS is corrupt and has done many wrong things on the local level, fine, then tell us about those some more.
Han, maybe you are indeed not supportive of the WTS and if so that will be seen by your further postings showing it.
Fire away here or in a thread of your own. Maybe in your own way you too actually are "a silentlamb." Feel free to become a "silentlambnomore." No one should have to suffer in silence or feel powerless.
mr. bowen .
i was glad to see you and your efforts hear in minnesota!.
being that anyone can come forward with an accusation, how .
Also to back up what I said about Han's previous posts he (possibly=they as in Watchtower) wrote the following to raise doubts and support the Watchtower's false claim that Dateline had misrepresented things:
Two reaons given for not going on dateline.
1) media can edit and air only part of a conversation,
take quotes out of context and not giving full meaning
what was said.
MOST IMPORTANT
2) bible says you must speak in agreement. Since
those appearing on dateline were still 'brothers'
and 'sisters' to the public eye, it would not be
scripturely proper to speak against another 'brother'
This would not be speaking in agreement."
Han/WTS, we do not speak in agreement to pedophilia. If Dateline NBC actually said false things or twisted the truth then your attorneys would be suing them. Where's your lawsuit? You know it's the truth. Now, scripture says there is a time and place for everything, and an exception to the Two Witnesses rule you worship is the best candidate for proper changes I ever ever heard of. Did Jeremiah and Isaiah agree to every word Israel's annointed dictatorial kings said or didn't they speak out for reforms! That's what Jehovah really wants!!
Go to the top and type in the SEARCH box "Greenlees" and look for Alan F's threads documenting a Gov Body member who was a pedophile. How many COs, DOs, Gov Body members may be like Greenlees. Quit defending the indefensible.
Edited by - nancee park on 4 July 2002 12:56:16
mr. bowen .
i was glad to see you and your efforts hear in minnesota!.
being that anyone can come forward with an accusation, how .
Han, you asked how much checking Bill does on things when Jeff Anderson and those who work for him would be the ones to ask. Bill isn't a detective. I'm sure that as an attorney J Anderson and his assistants do whatever foundation work is needed before bringing a case to court. I've seen your posts before and you seem to like to try to raise doubts while saying how supportive you are.
Now as a bit of a spin off, in some congregations in particular elders often act as local detectives themselves but what they come up with is false and twisted, biased. They themselves are examined by other elders but those too are biased, and they all know they are being spied on by each other and how to avoid being caught. So their internal investigations are a worthless farce the Watchtower heads are stupid to be trusting in and commending.
For example, the Watchtower Society in the Kingdom Ministry commended the help it was getting from "the angels." Now real angels who are spirit beings don't need the WTS's thanks, but the little spies in the pedophile-infested kingdom halls do lap it up and it motivates them to play the detective as local angels. How cultic can you get, Brooklyn.
You go ahead and comment some more, Han. I'll be waiting. But I reccomend instead that you leave Heidi to enjoy her day today and those ahead. She has suffered enough.
BTW, Heidi, Free Christians are glad to have forwarded your email on to Bill about a month or so ago. Thanks for coming forward. May many others do the same not only about the pedophile coverup stuff but the other things that are being done behind the mask!
There are good elders out there, not just Bill Bowen although he has been powerfully effective. May they also do more and more to help get this nightmare straightened out, if not openly then quietly as in sending copies of local judicial committee material or written summaries of it right on to Bill, Jeff Anderson etc.
Edited by - nancee park on 4 July 2002 12:39:46
mailing campaign fallout.
recently, kingdom halls of jehovahs witnesses were the largest group of intended recipients of an international mailing campaign, spanning all fifty states of the united states and including the countries of canada and england.. the results in the us have been interesting, and could have far-reaching effects on our legal system and on the preaching practices of jehovahs witnesses.. over a hundred years ago, a group of evangelical apocryphical persons calling themselves "bible students" began a campaign to sell bible-based literature at homes throughout the united states.
from time to time, their effeorts faced legal challenges, some were won and some were lost, but in general the door-to-door campaigns have continued unabated, with varying degrees of success.
If you mail a copy to any John or Mary Doe Non-elder, John or Mary will give it to Brother Elder. In that way at least one elder sees it. If 500 exJWs are asked I'm betting each can come with with at least 3 still active JWs in 3 different congregations who can be mailed to, which equals up to 1,500 kingdom halls. Some can do a whole lot better. So if you want direct addresses of JWs just ask for them. Somebody will squawk, John/Mary Doe Non-elder won't read the letter but just throw it in the trash. False! Despite being told to do that time and again, they are curious and indeed do read them. I know. I've done it before. If you doubt me then give it a try on a small scale before buying a thousand stamps. Also email is free and newspapers sometimes give free ads and carry letters-to-the-editor.
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a documentary on jws and nazi germany will tape it now.
channel 3 prairie tv
Yes, someone needs to make a film showing that instead of resisting Hitler, Brooklyn turned in the JWs across Germany, led by branch head Erich Frost, which is why they were so quickly rounded up. Regular JWs who escaped the betrayal network did do what they could, but the WTS doesn't want its own doings told. So make the film somebody. You're reading this. Just do it. Kent Steinhaug has plenty of documents etc to help you.
on or about june 30, 2002, thousands of jehovah's witness elders around the world received a letter from "the worldwide .
christian community" urging them fully to take on their voluntary responsibility as "shepherds of the flock of god" .
with respect to child molestation that occurs among their "flock.
Suggest that on future letters sends put a website like freeminds.org or silentlambs.org so that elders can go there too.
our section on h2o has grown to a notable jw site in our language.
the site was mentioned at the district convention last weekend by mr. veikko leinonen, a local branch committee member.
during the convention the local ex-jw's had the first demonstration against the shunning policy and lack of religious freedom and expression among the jw's.
All future demonstrations in the United States need to include website addresses. For example "silentlambs.org" and "freeminds.org" are super easy to remember. Put them on banners, flyers. Chalk them on sidewalks (rain washes it off easily), etc. Do so at conventions or in local kingdom hall parking lots.
Congratulations to Finland ex-JWs! Good!!
ok, we're all used to seeing the annual report in the yearbook etc of the societies so called increases in certain countries and lands.
is there any way to independently authenticate the wt claims as true or not?.
take 'hours' submitted in field service reports etc.
ISP, right after the 9-11 thing many inactives ran back to USA halls for a while which may increase the figures for the year although it is only temporary and would otherwise be down. They don't average 12 months anymore, just give the "peak" month, things are so bad off. Also as someone said, on the local level they do sometimes record false attendance figures.
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we have a bigg artikel in km abot our wuie on how to treat them in diffrent situations, not so much new things, but they confirm this harder treatment on dfd, as we have 1981.. not so happy for this, i think it is a bigg misstake to dont take this occasion to change to some more loving wuie.i can not follow why they do like this perhaps they are draw this to the end of the lione, but who are take the punnish for this, if not the averge jw, who i think dont like this so very much.. so i can not follow who they think, perhaps we have wolfs among us, who hurt ther members.. .
IgnoredOne, when you got it what did it say? We all want to know.
